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  • Issues with Hi-torque starters?

    I installed a new fancy starter back in 2015 when I did the rebuild. In the last couple of years I've had "no cranking" problems. Battery is good. Double checked connections etc.
    Thinking about going back to the original starter, which worked fine, before the rebuild.
    Thoughts guys?
    CF1634U+O Pimento/Chestnut
    2nd owner, since 1975
    Now in Fair Oaks, CA

  • #2
    Never understood the need for a hi-torque or gear reduction or whatever starter.

    My AGM battery spins the heck out of my stock starter.

    Just didnt understand the need...(Maybe if I had some crazy high compression engine or something...

    More of a comment/opinion on my part, so take it FWIW.

    You may put your old starter back in and realize: No way. Back to the GR!...(no idea)
    '74 TR6 CF13007U aka "Mr. T"
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    • #3
      Originally posted by baws View Post
      I installed a new fancy starter back in 2015 when I did the rebuild. In the last couple of years I've had "no cranking" problems. Battery is good. Double checked connections etc.
      Thinking about going back to the original starter, which worked fine, before the rebuild.
      Thoughts guys?
      never mind...I read your post too quickly and misunderstood 'no cranking' problems for 'no cranking problems'.
      Last edited by poolboy; 03-30-2022, 10:53 PM.
      Driving a 1973 TR6
      Doing ZS carb repairs
      email kencorsaw"at"aol.com

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      • #4
        Try taking a jumper cable to the starter directly from the battery to rule out the wiring & connections. Attach the starter end first then touch the battery terminal.
        72 Pimento w/overdrive - Lilred
        67 4A Royal Blue - Lilblue

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        • #5
          Thanks guys! Exactly the guidance i needed. Will keep you posted on the "progress" .
          CF1634U+O Pimento/Chestnut
          2nd owner, since 1975
          Now in Fair Oaks, CA

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          • #6
            I also don'really understand the problem that these GR starters claim to solve.

            Ed
            For just a little more, you can do it yourself!

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            • #7
              A hi torque seemed like the way to go being that it was new and all.
              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITFW...9ADD8&index=49
              Driving a 1973 TR6
              Doing ZS carb repairs
              email kencorsaw"at"aol.com

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              • #8
                Additionally, when I first installed the thing, I had a problem in that the original stock starter had connection for 2 small wires off the stock harness, while the Hi-Torque unit only had one.
                Are they all like that?
                CF1634U+O Pimento/Chestnut
                2nd owner, since 1975
                Now in Fair Oaks, CA

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                • #9
                  There should be at least 2 terminals ....one is for a white/red directly from the ignition switch or from the starter relay if a 74 or 75 to activate the solenoid ..and the other terminal is for the big wire from the battery or connection block to power the actual starter motor.
                  Last edited by poolboy; 03-31-2022, 03:02 PM.
                  Driving a 1973 TR6
                  Doing ZS carb repairs
                  email kencorsaw"at"aol.com

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                  • #10
                    Doh! Forehead slap.
                    Turns out there are indeed, 2 small wire connections, plus the big ass wire from the POS terminal. The one I inadvertantly disconnected while messing about, was between the starter and the block, very hard to see.
                    The starter now cranks again!
                    CF1634U+O Pimento/Chestnut
                    2nd owner, since 1975
                    Now in Fair Oaks, CA

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                    • #11
                      Funny how that works,huh, Bruce ?
                      Driving a 1973 TR6
                      Doing ZS carb repairs
                      email kencorsaw"at"aol.com

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                      • #12
                        Backstory on this little escapade is, I ordered a new POS cable replacement from Moss to hopefully correct an undercharging issue with the alternator. Long story short, the repro cable is not the same quality as the Lucas cable and the starter end connection shorted against the starter body (thank God for the quick battery shut off dohickey!). Put the old POS cable back in and all is well in Lucas land again.
                        Have ordered another POS cable from BPNW and will get it lengthened to better reach the big ass terminal on the bottom of the starter and with a proper, insulated connector.
                        CF1634U+O Pimento/Chestnut
                        2nd owner, since 1975
                        Now in Fair Oaks, CA

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                        • #13
                          got talked into my hi torque by my then shop, eclectic sports cars run by the late Ed Bernard. my starter was tired, and slower in spinning - so, sure why not. I've been on that starter since 14 or so.

                          no issues going on 9 years. but here is what I like. My engine starts faster. Im sure its close to the same revs before it hits, but I think I am saving on engine wear by starting faster? prob not. Oh, and these are poolboy cars - thanks again, Ken. Now what will affect my starting is my local chit gas, and sitting for a while. So my engine hasn't fired since early feb when it headed to the shop.

                          guvnal

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                          • #14
                            So Baws, your POS cable from Moss was a POS?
                            1976 TR-6 BRG - CF57239U
                            Carbs by Poolboy
                            Rear Camber Kit, Rear Hubs by Goodparts
                            Gear Reduction Starter by TSI
                            Distributor by British Vacuum

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by bartman View Post
                              So Baws, your POS cable from Moss was a POS?
                              Well, let's just say it was not up to the standard of the original or TRF replacement part of some years ago.
                              CF1634U+O Pimento/Chestnut
                              2nd owner, since 1975
                              Now in Fair Oaks, CA

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